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'We have 12 years to limit climate change catastrophe, warns UN'

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Headlines like this one touting a deadline are misleading. What matters is the total cumulative amount of CO2 dumped into the system.

And it is already too late to make that 1.5 degree threshold.

Modern civilization runs on fossil carbon fuels. Switching off that to something (anything) else would be enormously expensive and painful. And that pain would be felt in every nook and cranny of our world  and it would be felt now, not decades from now.  Our species just is not equipped to make collective decisions that hurt like hell in the present for the sake of some distant nebulous future benefit.

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In a more practical vein, the only political vehicle for any such effort appears to be the environmental movement which is joined at the waist with the anti-nuclear movement, not unlike Republicans with anti-abortionists and Democrats with anti-gun folks.  There being no serious solution to the CO2 problem that does not have nuclear power  as a central component, the climate change folks are trapped into silly,  inadequate proposals that are easily attacked by folks intent on preventing their own particular ox from getting gored. 

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2 hours ago, MsGuy said:

Headlines like this one touting a deadline are misleading. What matters is the total cumulative amount of CO2 dumped into the system.

And it is already too late to make that 1.5 degree threshold.

Modern civilization runs on fossil carbon fuels. Switching off that to something (anything) else would be enormously expensive and painful. And that pain would be felt in every nook and cranny of our world  and it would be felt now, not decades from now.  Our species just is not equipped to make collective decisions that hurt like hell in the present for the sake of some distant nebulous future benefit.

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In a more practical vein, the only political vehicle for any such effort appears to be the environmental movement which is joined at the waist with the anti-nuclear movement, not unlike Republicans with anti-abortionists and Democrats with anti-gun folks.  There being no serious solution to the CO2 problem that does not have nuclear power  as a central component, the climate change folks are trapped into silly,  inadequate proposals that are easily attacked by folks intent on preventing their own particular ox from getting gored. 

I concur with every bit of that.

Our only faint hope of species survival is global-scale geoengineering. But all the best ideas for that to date suck shit, and look as like to make the thing much worse as to maybe mitigate it a little bit.

Been nice knowing y'all!

My only realistic hope now is that the food chain does not collapse before I do.

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Serendipity lives, AS. I just ran across this bunch of scientists advocating for a 'flexitarian' diet.   All you got to do is switch to a veggies (one hamburger patty or one pork chop/week is allowed) and all will be well. Assuming, of course, that all modern ag practices are turn inside out and all the myriad other solutions in all other sectors of the economy are flawlessly implemented worldwide, we will be just fine.

Hmm...

Me, I'm going to continue to chow down on steak every chance I get just as God intended. 

Fusion power, that's the trick!

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On 10/11/2018 at 4:02 PM, MsGuy said:

Serendipity lives, AS. I just ran across this bunch of scientists advocating for a 'flexitarian' diet.   All you got to do is switch to a veggies (one hamburger patty or one pork chop/week is allowed) and all will be well. Assuming, of course, that all modern ag practices are turn inside out and all the myriad other solutions in all other sectors of the economy are flawlessly implemented worldwide, we will be just fine.

Hmm...

Me, I'm going to continue to chow down on steak every chance I get just as God intended. 

Fusion power, that's the trick!

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There is actually a razor-thin chance that a globally united scientific effort to mount a geoengineering 'Manhattan Project' could ferret out, from existing science, enough things to do that we could survive.

But of course the twin obstacles are (1) doing that itself and (2) getting those Entrenched Interests you mentioned to give up their short-term-gain goals and pitch in and commit their material resources to actually delivering.

Ah, well. :wacko:

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On 10/12/2018 at 11:30 PM, MsGuy said:

Clearly you've hit on the one crucial factor I was totally overlooking, AS. 

Pixie dust just doesn't work unless we all think happy thoughts. :flowers:

But OTOH (revising my previous absolute pessimism just a little  bit), as Karellen, Supervisor for Earth, observed in Childhood's End:

'Human beings are remarkably ingenious, and often very persistent. It is never safe to underrate them...'

:ph34r:

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2 hours ago, AdamSmith said:

... as Karellen, Supervisor for Earth, observed ...

'Human beings are remarkably ingenious, and often very persistent. It is never safe to underrate them...'

Adam, you do understand that Karellen was Arthur C. Clarke's sock-puppet, yes? 

And that the old dear did not accumulate the cash for that Sri Lanka estate (very adequately staffed with native houseboys) by misjudging his audience's expectations.

Image result for sri lanka houseboy

"Bwana,  is it playtime yet?"

 

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47 minutes ago, MsGuy said:

Adam, you do understand that Karellen was Arthur C. Clarke's sock-puppet, yes? 

And that the old dear did not accumulate the cash for that Sri Lanka estate (very adequately staffed with native houseboys) by misjudging his audience's expectations.

Image result for sri lanka houseboy

"Bwana,  is it playtime yet?"

 

Whose sock-puppet do you think was really whose?

;)

I'm not gay, merely very cheerful.'

But then a number of delightful openly queer characters in the later novels. With a fairly broad wink & a nod.

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52 minutes ago, MsGuy said:

Adam, you do understand that Karellen was Arthur C. Clarke's sock-puppet, yes? 

And that the old dear did not accumulate the cash for that Sri Lanka estate (very adequately staffed with native houseboys) by misjudging his audience's expectations.

Image result for sri lanka houseboy

"Bwana,  is it playtime yet?"

 

PS You will know he did not "own that estate." But only rented an apartment from the father of his late lover (always denied, but still), one Hector Ekaniyake.

it was a nice main house occupied by said owner, + outbuilding rented by ACC, but "estate" is a bit ridiculous overstatement.

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